Adding 2-Stroke oil to Diesel

[tweak'e]

Average diesel profit to oil companies over the last 10 years is 1.8c per litre, adding 2T would cost them how much? It may be one of the reason's they haven't done it?

roughly bump up the price by 5c a litre.
edit: make that 3-5.

don't forget it will cost them millions to market it to get people to buy it.

 

[KraftyPg]

That at best is as subjective as the rest of the thread, at worst it's a wild guess.

 

[Old.Tony]

Tony, you thinking about it doesnt hold water.

I know I used the word 'think', but I'm referring to information like you'll find in this post (I know it's later than my post, but the info is relevant).

If our diesel's cetane rating is lower, and the addition of the 2-stroke improves the combustion performance, I don't see a problem. That the improvement isn't huge shouldn't make too much difference - it's like the difference between 91 and 93 octane unleaded.

Besides, and this is the thing I don't get at all - this entire thread is about using 2-stroke oil in diesel fuel. The thread has become a stomping ground for some to just sit back - never having tried it - and without any actual experience of adding it to their fuel, and run circular arguments about how the stuff won't ever be used in their engines and we're ******* for even trying.

Well, this retard DID try it, because THIS retard won't shoot his mouth off without trying something and then boast all over the thread that it's this way or that way. So, THIS retard HAS some experience with it and has found NO negative effects.

The only reason an oil company is going to jump on the 2-stroke bandwagon is if they can make even more money out of it. To do that, they have to have both a product AND a market willing to buy the product. Because there isn't a majority of diesel owners that want to use it, they might have a product but they have no market.

The government can force the market (look at unleaded) but there's nothing in the 2-stroke debate that would justify such a move by the government. Remember that lead is a poison, it's dangerous, and so the government looks good for removing it from the fuel. The addition of 2-stroke to diesel doesn't save lots of babies from popping out as walking pumpkins with 2 legs, 3 eyes and a tail, so there's no motivation for the government to act at all - so this won't be forced on the market.

And so, the oil companies have NO reason to move on this at all.

It's just a few of us who have tried it, and seen that there are some positive results. I tried it - and I've got a DPF, so I had a LOT more to lose than others (the $4,000 DPF being the first thing!) and I've had NO negative effects.

If I did have any negative effects that were the result of the 2-stroke, you can bet everything you own that I'd be in this thread in a flash to warn people about it so that they don't make the same mistake.

However, I tried it, it worked, I had NO problems at all with it and I'm happy enough to do it again (if and when I can get motivated enough to pull the oil container out and pour it into my tank - as I said before, MY problem is lethargy!).

The argument of "I am NOT going to try it, so if YOU try it, then you are a retard" doesn't wash well. Imagine how you'd feel right now if the clever ******* that invented bubbles in beer was put off doing it by someone calling him a retard for trying.

 

[Krankin]

I do beg your pardon,

I just dont feel worthy of this thread anymore

so thankyou sincerely for your trailblazing pioneering efforts.

Oh and just for your information and anyone else on here...dont be so sure on who has or hasn't tried anything without any factual basis

Good day sir.

 

[nathand22]

WOW

 

[pointblank5]

this thread is really only for those of no mechanical technical knowledge... the "debate" keeps going round in circles, theres alot of opinions here, which make interesting reading. When deciding to use 2 stroke or not, those with a moderate understanding of engines/mechanics etc will be more than able to make their own decision!

Not trying to make myself look smart here, just saying, this thread has got nowhere! the only way there is ever going to be an answer here is if a proper study is done on it... which will probably be a while as it aint exactly a life or death issue!!

so my opinion is to do whatever the f**k you want, if $2 a tank extra gives u the feeling your doing something good for ur engine then sweet! (i use 2 stroke btw)
The difference in mileage from an engine useing 2stroke or not aint gonna make alot of difference in the 4 or 500K the engine does anyway, as you will probably own it for less than 100k on average and wouldnt have a clue whether 2stroke has been used over its lifetime!!

 

[Krankin]

this thread is really only for those of no mechanical technical knowledge... the "debate" keeps going round in circles, theres alot of opinions here, which make interesting reading. When deciding to use 2 stroke or not, those with a moderate understanding of engines/mechanics etc will be more than able to make their own decision!

Not trying to make myself look smart here, just saying, this thread has got nowhere! the only way there is ever going to be an answer here is if a proper study is done on it... which will probably be a while as it aint exactly a life or death issue!!

so my opinion is to do whatever the f**k you want, if $2 a tank extra gives u the feeling your doing something good for ur engine then sweet! (i use 2 stroke btw)
The difference in mileage from an engine useing 2stroke or not aint gonna make alot of difference in the 4 or 500K the engine does anyway, as you will probably own it for less than 100k on average and wouldnt have a clue whether 2stroke has been used over its lifetime!!

Thanks for your input.

 

[d22dave]

Don,t know if 2 stroke oil in diesel makes a difference or not and whether fuel companys will or wont put it in diesel regardless of profits. But i do know they cant even fill our tanks at work with the same blend of diesel on the same day. We had trouble with fuel in the cold weather 1 tank would clog filters and lines in the cold and the other tank was fine, any chance a fuel company gets to save even half a cent a litre they will cut costs

 

[Krankin]

Don,t know if 2 stroke oil in diesel makes a difference or not and whether fuel companys will or wont put it in diesel regardless of profits. But i do know they cant even fill our tanks at work with the same blend of diesel on the same day. We had trouble with fuel in the cold weather 1 tank would clog filters and lines in the cold and the other tank was fine, any chance a fuel company gets to save even half a cent a litre they will cut costs

adding 2t wont fix that.......its not an "Acme miracle additive"

 

[d22dave]

Nah we use ICEBREAKER now you can start a new thread is icebreaker good or bad

 

[fourocker]

Hi all, so I've been running two stroke with no negatives to report but because it really seems to make little difference and costs me extra I may not continue. If I discover more info that suggests really great benefits it may be something I do for trips etc when towing and taxing the vehicle more than normal but I'm satisfied the truck doesn't dislike it for now.

 

[Bvandermaat]

Here is one to stir up the pot.

What if someone found out the viscosity of Diesel and then added a Monograde oil of the same viscosity to find if fuel economy was improved. It could then be tested if adding a heavier or lighter oil could change results. Maybe even up the cetane rating.

 

[johnbritto]

I know I used the word 'think', but I'm referring to information like you'll find in this post (I know it's later than my post, but the info is relevant).

If our diesel's cetane rating is lower, and the addition of the 2-stroke improves the combustion performance, I don't see a problem. That the improvement isn't huge shouldn't make too much difference - it's like the difference between 91 and 93 octane unleaded.

Besides, and this is the thing I don't get at all - this entire thread is about using 2-stroke oil in diesel fuel. The thread has become a stomping ground for some to just sit back - never having tried it - and without any actual experience of adding it to their fuel, and run circular arguments about how the stuff won't ever be used in their engines and we're ******* for even trying.

Well, this retard DID try it, because THIS retard won't shoot his mouth off without trying something and then boast all over the thread that it's this way or that way. So, THIS retard HAS some experience with it and has found NO negative effects.
i tried it only once so far, I did notice that engine seemed much quieter at cold start and also a bit more zippy of mark, it could be my imagination so ill try over a couple of tanks of juice to see how it goes. Please excuse my shelterd life but what is a (DPF) and im with tony if ya havnt tried ya cant know
The only reason an oil company is going to jump on the 2-stroke bandwagon is if they can make even more money out of it. To do that, they have to have both a product AND a market willing to buy the product. Because there isn't a majority of diesel owners that want to use it, they might have a product but they have no market.

The government can force the market (look at unleaded) but there's nothing in the 2-stroke debate that would justify such a move by the government. Remember that lead is a poison, it's dangerous, and so the government looks good for removing it from the fuel. The addition of 2-stroke to diesel doesn't save lots of babies from popping out as walking pumpkins with 2 legs, 3 eyes and a tail, so there's no motivation for the government to act at all - so this won't be forced on the market.

And so, the oil companies have NO reason to move on this at all.

It's just a few of us who have tried it, and seen that there are some positive results. I tried it - and I've got a DPF, so I had a LOT more to lose than others (the $4,000 DPF being the first thing!) and I've had NO negative effects.

If I did have any negative effects that were the result of the 2-stroke, you can bet everything you own that I'd be in this thread in a flash to warn people about it so that they don't make the same mistake.

However, I tried it, it worked, I had NO problems at all with it and I'm happy enough to do it again (if and when I can get motivated enough to pull the oil container out and pour it into my tank - as I said before, MY problem is lethargy!).

The argument of "I am NOT going to try it, so if YOU try it, then you are a retard" doesn't wash well. Imagine how you'd feel right now if the clever ******* that invented bubbles in beer was put off doing it by someone calling him a retard for trying.

im with you tony ya cant talk if ya havnt tried i did but only once noticed much quieter on cold start and seemed to be a bit more zippier of the mark ill try over a couple of tanks and port again. Please excuse my dumbness but what does (DPF) stand for. it sounds like i want one what does it do

 

[Jason]

Diesel Particulate Filter, and no, you don't want one. They are the devil!

They are used to reduce emissions.

 

[Krankin]

and seemed to be a bit more zippier of the mark

well, frankly I'm sold on that....Castrol 2T it is...will get some next time in Melb.

 

[fourocker]

Further to my post above, I've read some more (via google) and realised that my ratio isn't high enough (200:1 is recommended) I put 100ml into 1/2 a tank when it should have been 150ml.
I'll run this down and on my next fill put the full 300ml /75 litre tank in and see what I think.

 

[Krankin]

Further to my post above, I've read some more (via google) and realised that my ratio isn't high enough (200:1 is recommended) I put 100ml into 1/2 a tank when it should have been 150ml.
I'll run this down and on my next fill put the full 300ml /75 litre tank in and see what I think.

ok, keep us posted....we'll be here waiting.

 

[user 10312]

I wonder what it does to the catalithic converter, long term. Still not tempeted to try it yet.

 

[Old.Tony]

If it's low ash, it'll do little more than the diesel oil picked up through the PCV and combusted, which is also low-ash oil.

 

[tweak'e]

I wonder what it does to the catalithic converter, long term. Still not tempeted to try it yet.

one of the problems is that they do not mention what additives are in 2T oil.
one of the reasons zinc and other additives are being reduced in engine oil is that it blocks up the cat after long usage.
however DPF's block up before the cat does and no one has reported a DPF being blocked up due to using 2T oil. in fact its the opposite, the DPF is doing less regen burns when using 2T.