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the only green thing is the firewood out that back that is still yet to be cut small and dried out (trees)
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KraftyPg
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Awe that's a bit unfair Biscuits I saw last year that WA had moved into the 20th century by giving people recycle bins to fill up every two weeks 
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They're private enterprises that you are free to buy or not. Roads etc are public undertakings, owned and paid for by society - it's not a great leap.
Not mine you don't.
Had worked that out already
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KraftyPg
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Only one thing worse than bloody speeding cyclists and that's naive greenies.
But you can never win against one so alas I admit defeat greenies know best!
Anyone want some coal I'm having a going out of business sale, problem is there is enough here to power an entire state for 100 years so the sale might go for a while.
But you can never win against one so alas I admit defeat greenies know best!
Anyone want some coal I'm having a going out of business sale, problem is there is enough here to power an entire state for 100 years so the sale might go for a while.
When we were in Tasmania we discovered that ALL of their power is hydro. No coal. I was stunned, and wonder why there aren't more hydro systems in mainland Australia.
Anyway, instead of arguing about it, just develop an aiming system so that a driver sitting normally in the seat can align a reticle with an oncoming cyclist? Mount a reloadable taser on the front and while they're twitching on the ground, run over their hips. If you haven't destroyed their ability to breed more green tree-huggers, use your reverse gear, that's what the bloody thing is there for!
(the second paragraph of this post should be taken about as seriously as a political speech by Abbott & Costello)
Anyway, instead of arguing about it, just develop an aiming system so that a driver sitting normally in the seat can align a reticle with an oncoming cyclist? Mount a reloadable taser on the front and while they're twitching on the ground, run over their hips. If you haven't destroyed their ability to breed more green tree-huggers, use your reverse gear, that's what the bloody thing is there for!
(the second paragraph of this post should be taken about as seriously as a political speech by Abbott & Costello)
Biscuits
Ginger Ninja.
Wow Tony. Did you stub your toe on the coffe table on your way to the computer?
The last 2 posts i've read from you (here and Express post rant) have been rather firey. Usually it is Krankin, Krafty and myself getting fired up over a stirred pot.
Your usually Mr sage wisdom (Navara Yoda)
The last 2 posts i've read from you (here and Express post rant) have been rather firey. Usually it is Krankin, Krafty and myself getting fired up over a stirred pot.
Your usually Mr sage wisdom (Navara Yoda)
Oh the fine print needed to be a little less fine, I think!
I don't mind cyclists. I understand completely why they ride up to the front of the line, even if I don't do that myself. They piss me off badly when they wander all over the road, or ride on the footpath, or disobey the road rules - but then anyone that can't follow the road rules, in my opinion, needs to be off the road.
I don't mind cyclists. I understand completely why they ride up to the front of the line, even if I don't do that myself. They piss me off badly when they wander all over the road, or ride on the footpath, or disobey the road rules - but then anyone that can't follow the road rules, in my opinion, needs to be off the road.
terryc
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How much does your local council spend on roads?
And how much of t comes out of local rate payers pockets?
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Because most of the places that they could put dams would leak(Australia is full of cracks) or catch as much water as Mangrove Dam*.
*The catchment is so big that you could ride a bicycle around the watershed two or three times in a day, maybe five at the height of summer.
terryc
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Hmm, so your price on a ton bag of brown coal briquettes would be real low then?
I badly need some for my steam loco.
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Well I have revised my sale plan. You see pampering to all these greenies and closing down a brown coal fired power station (which is one of the cheapest forms of energy available) is the right thing to do because green is the way of the future.
So the theory is we stop digging a big hole and dragging this shit out of the ground and the power stations become abandoned and no use to anyone, we might sell of some parts like the steel and concrete for second hand building materials but most of it can stay to remind us what a wasteful society we are.
With the power stations closed and the greenies all sleeping peacefully knowing they have done right by the world (and left thousands of people without jobs) we will have nothing to do down here. We will then sit and stare at those big gapping holes in the ground and wonder just what the hell to do with a hole big enough to bury every greenie around in.
Then some bright spark will realise that coal is still a viable commodity in the overseas market and there is plenty of other countries willing to pay for it so if we dig it up and sell it overseas we can send both money and resources overseas, the greenies wont care because we aren't burning the terrible dirty filthy stuff and polluting the atmosphere (with steam) and the country will be a better place for all of us!
Its a win win situation....for someone else which means we as australians should all get behind it!
So the theory is we stop digging a big hole and dragging this shit out of the ground and the power stations become abandoned and no use to anyone, we might sell of some parts like the steel and concrete for second hand building materials but most of it can stay to remind us what a wasteful society we are.
With the power stations closed and the greenies all sleeping peacefully knowing they have done right by the world (and left thousands of people without jobs) we will have nothing to do down here. We will then sit and stare at those big gapping holes in the ground and wonder just what the hell to do with a hole big enough to bury every greenie around in.
Then some bright spark will realise that coal is still a viable commodity in the overseas market and there is plenty of other countries willing to pay for it so if we dig it up and sell it overseas we can send both money and resources overseas, the greenies wont care because we aren't burning the terrible dirty filthy stuff and polluting the atmosphere (with steam) and the country will be a better place for all of us!
Its a win win situation....for someone else which means we as australians should all get behind it!
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...And you need further revision.
1) If you leave the coal in the ground you'll eventually increase your investment by about 1000000% because, given time, all that coal will turn to oil or if you're really lucky diamonds.
Burning the brown coal (the dirty despicable pollution creating crap - CO2, heavy metals, benzine, methane, particulates etc etc) is simply poor business sense.
2) Use your hole (the one on the ground) to store water, perhaps even build a small hydro plant.
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Nah that's a stupid idea, by the time coal turns into diamonds the earth will be dead and gone, I'm selling for now not tomorrow. As for storing water, there is a reason the holes aren't currently full of water, it's because they are holes and everyone knows holes don't hold water so eventually the water would run out and the hydro plant would be wasted.
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1) Sadly not true - they are importing from the mainland. Given the destruction caused by the damn dams you would hope they were more efficient. But no. It seems that the hydro were really good at building dams for the sake of building dams. Not so good at building efficient power plants (the generators a tiny) - but this could have been deliberate thereby justifying more dams (hydro were a power until themselves in the '60s & 70's).
Better planning, and more efficient plants may have prevented the drowning of Lake Peddar.
2) Not enough rain where it counts!
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coal,power, hydro,greenies,WHAT ABOUT THE CYCLISTS this thread seems to be dying off .
by the way ido agree i live in newcastle and without coal and industry we would become a ghost town good for the trees but who will feed my kids
by the way ido agree i live in newcastle and without coal and industry we would become a ghost town good for the trees but who will feed my kids
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Without the mining and power industries they wouldn't have bikes so it's all relevant
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I thought Newcastle already was a ghost town - shows how much I know.
And just about every thread not directly linked to a navara, if let go long enough, will degenerate thusly. Simply par for the course & all part of the fun.
Now, where were we...? Aha, that right...
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KraftyPg
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Part of the fun? Who's having fun this is pistols at 10 paces if you don't start agreeing with me pal!
Well, this is the Clubhouse. In here we can stray a little if we like. Besides, cyclists like to promote themselves as 'green' and if we really wanted them off the road we'd lobby government to produce a cycle-powered generator and hook the bastards up to that.
Newcastle was supposed to become a ghost town when BHP shut down but that never happened. 3,000 jobs or something like that were lost, but it didn't kill the place. Sure some people left, but more came. There's a LOT of expansion in the new housing estates and there are more cars on the road here now than ever before.
A great deal of what Newcastle does centres around the port. It has a grain facility and a coal facility - and Nathan Tinkler is expanding that even more. I think I read somewhere that Newcastle had the largest coal loading facility in the world, or close to it. It then makes sense that a large portion of the population is here because of that.
It was hinted on earlier, that losing the coal doesn't just affect the mine and the workers there.
There are train drivers, coffee shops, IT firms geared to manage rail systems, train schedulers, track workers, trucks hauling gravel and steel for railway repair, roadworks to maintain those facilities, fuel stations ... that's just directly supporting the industry and its shipping.
Then there's the workers, who need shopping centres, milk bars, pizza bars, pubs, lawn mowing services, whitegoods etc etc. Their kids need schools, and uniforms, sports equipment ...
I could keep going on, but it should be plainly obvious by now that removing a large segment of a community's ability to produce wealth will affect a much, much larger segment of that community.
Close a coal mine in the Hunter, and someone in Good Guys gets the chop? You bet. Those nurses in the emergency ward at the nearby hospital too. And the local grocer. They're all as much dependent on the well-being of the larger industries as the guys that go in day after day, some risking their lives, to keep that industry going.
I'm not advocating that we never change from coal - just making sure that ALL of the little guys aren't forgotten. Once day we'll have to change. We ought to. But we have to be ready for that, too.
Newcastle was supposed to become a ghost town when BHP shut down but that never happened. 3,000 jobs or something like that were lost, but it didn't kill the place. Sure some people left, but more came. There's a LOT of expansion in the new housing estates and there are more cars on the road here now than ever before.
A great deal of what Newcastle does centres around the port. It has a grain facility and a coal facility - and Nathan Tinkler is expanding that even more. I think I read somewhere that Newcastle had the largest coal loading facility in the world, or close to it. It then makes sense that a large portion of the population is here because of that.
It was hinted on earlier, that losing the coal doesn't just affect the mine and the workers there.
There are train drivers, coffee shops, IT firms geared to manage rail systems, train schedulers, track workers, trucks hauling gravel and steel for railway repair, roadworks to maintain those facilities, fuel stations ... that's just directly supporting the industry and its shipping.
Then there's the workers, who need shopping centres, milk bars, pizza bars, pubs, lawn mowing services, whitegoods etc etc. Their kids need schools, and uniforms, sports equipment ...
I could keep going on, but it should be plainly obvious by now that removing a large segment of a community's ability to produce wealth will affect a much, much larger segment of that community.
Close a coal mine in the Hunter, and someone in Good Guys gets the chop? You bet. Those nurses in the emergency ward at the nearby hospital too. And the local grocer. They're all as much dependent on the well-being of the larger industries as the guys that go in day after day, some risking their lives, to keep that industry going.
I'm not advocating that we never change from coal - just making sure that ALL of the little guys aren't forgotten. Once day we'll have to change. We ought to. But we have to be ready for that, too.
Biscuits
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Krafty, if you shut down your mine and coal power station you will have more free time to cycle
