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On almost all navaras in sweden year 02-05 2,5l td 133hp the engine blow up the con rod flyes out and makes a big hole in the engine.
Only in my town about 25 blown up navaras
One Navara that was on the news on tv had only 50,000km on the clock.
And have you missed the service with just a couple km Nissan wont help you.
Lots of people had problem with Nissan and warranty even if the services is correct they say that the car is abused in some kind of way.
But media has got there eye on this now so maybe Nissan understand that this is a MAJOR problem it must be hundreds of Navaras that the engine has crashed on, Norway , Denmark , Finland etc has the same problem

What about you guys is this a problem for you to, Ive seen that the 3.0 is the most common here, Maybe the 2,5l 133hp doesent is on your market

Nissan stopped the d22 here in 2006 and started again 2009 with a diffrent 2,5 motor and its now called np300. 2002-2006 was called Navara here in sweden. None of the 06 has blown engines something must have become diffrent in the engine that year

Hope you understand my english isnt the best
 
Your English is better than some of ours, don't worry about that!

I wonder if it's the cold that does it? I've not heard of Navaras blowing rods out the side, I know some Patrol engines are called "grenades" but thought they were 4.2L engines, which none of the Navaras in Australia have.
 
holy crap...im hoping its the cold air...

does any1 know the exact type of engine is in the d40 2006 diesel??

well then again...i havent heard much of these motors blowing up...so maybe we should be ok...hopefully
 
I know some Patrol engines are called "grenades" but thought they were 4.2L engines, which none of the Navaras in Australia have.

The grenade patrols are the ZD30 patrols, but the patrol ZD30 was set up differently to the Navara ZD30 so unless you have a ZD30 Navara built within a particular brief period, you're okay.

does any1 know the exact type of engine is in the d40 2006 diesel??

well then again...i havent heard much of these motors blowing up...so maybe we should be ok...hopefully

The 2.5 in the D40 is the YD25, no blowing up there.


BSmoke, are the 2.5 diesels you speak of called TD25T (T-series engine, diesel, 2.5L capacity, turbocharged)? That's the only 2.5L diesel global Nissan engine I know of for that year.
 
The 2.5 in the D40 is the YD25, no blowing up there.


BSmoke, are the 2.5 diesels you speak of called TD25T (T-series engine, diesel, 2.5L capacity, turbocharged)? That's the only 2.5L diesel global Nissan engine I know of for that year.

Actually, looks like I have to eat my words. Looking at the engine bays of some 02-05 Scandinavian D22 Navaras, that's a YD25 sitting in there, all the way back in 2002. Looks like you guys were the early adopters and got to iron out all the bugs.

D40 diesel owners of Australia, you owe the D22 diesel owners of scandinavia a favour...
 
My bro inlaw has one of these ZD30 grenade engined patrols and nissan fixed his before self destruction by adding about a litre of extra oil to the sump and shortening the dipstick...
many of these engines suffered piston failures here in aust.
 
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holy crap...im hoping its the cold air...

does any1 know the exact type of engine is in the d40 2006 diesel??

well then again...i havent heard much of these motors blowing up...so maybe we should be ok...hopefully

How many k's you got on yours nismo?
 
Tweak'e will roll in here soon and explain the YD25 history as I can see on other forums this issue was discussed at the launch of the YD25 D22...
 
Yes its the yd25 motor the big probs is the crankshaft bearing, is just shit they crack UK seems to have a bit problem with this to.
Another really weak thing about the yd25 is the Cam chain tensioner
 
Here is some text from UK forums

Gents,
I have just bought one with a rod through both sides of the block, and the con rod end cap through the sump!!
I have extensive engine building experience from Transits through Lotus' to Porsche Carrera's, in my humble opinion gained from reading others misfortunes, and inspecting both my original blown engine and the replacement I have bought, I believe the fault lies with con rod bolts that are NOT up to the job.
I think that the bolts are permanently damaged during the angle torqing phase of their instalation, the lack of quality of these bolts means that they pass through their elastic limits (meaning that when undone they return to their exact original size, specification and condition) into their plastic limits (meaning that permanent changes to their dimensions has occurred (due to being overstretched), and to their molecular makeup (causing graining to take place, a form of work-hardening, leading to a critical catastrophic failure or snapping).
My own blown engine shows no bluing or scoring to the journal of No 3 cylinder, indicating no lack of lubrication, indeed if you read the accounts from other unfortunate owners suffering the same catastrophic failures they do not mention a long term knocking that was getting worse with age (indicating a slow wear rate taking place), many just state that the car was driving perfectly normally, when a loud knocking was heard (the first bolt snapping allowing the endcap to open up) this was then closely followed by the terminal failure of a rod coming through the block (second bolt snapping)!
In my own case timing chain problems would not result in the end cap coming through the sump, the only explanation for this is the failure of the securing method I. E. the end cap bolts.
I have worked on many cars with timing belt failures NONE have put rods through the side, even severe cases of pistons/bores being hydraulically locked after being driven through water have only resulted in bent rods.
Think about it there is very little stress on the end caps, they being under a little more than usual when drawing in a fresh charge of air.
A rod through the side of any engine must mean that it has become disconected from the crankshaft journal the only way this can occur is for the bolts to come undone or snap, especially so considering the reports from owners when the failure happened.
I have also inspected the bolts from my replacement engine (24K miles), these already show a decrease in diameter of some .12mm due to stretching, and require firm use of a spanner to screw the nut along their full length, indicating permanent deformation of the bolt affecting the thread!
I am currently trying to obtain upgraded bolts NOT of Nissan origin, however should this be unsucessful I will have to use new Nissan bolts but modify the way they are installed by reducing the angular torqing by 66.6 or 75% (I haven't decided yet), to compensate for this I will not be fitting them oiled up (as per the Nissan technical manual) but dry, ensuring they have a copious amount of Loctite.
I only bought a Navara after taking medical advice that I ought to buy a dog to ensure I exercised an ailing back, after running Lexus LS 400's for the last eight years (where the only troubles were a battery and an alternator) I really am beginning to regret this decision.
Please would someone give me some good news about these cars that I can look forward to?

Här är lite klipp ur flera andra trådar på samma forum, det verkar vara samma problem med att Nissan ignorerar problemet även i andra länder.

Hi, im thinking of buying a d22 pickup,i have heard horror stories about conrods being chucked out around 60-70 0000 milescould anyone confirm this please,i currently run a 98 d22 which runs great but just getting on a bit in age previous owner fitted a nissan terrano engine in it i pressume it must be different engine to whats in the d22 has now, any advice on 02-03 d22 would be appreciated cheers ,. fred

Hi all ,your D22 engine will blow up at ,circa 80,000 miles.No 4 cyl or bearing

Dont even think about getting a nissan navara i am on to my secound engine first 1 blew at 65000 miles then it has done the same at 154000 aparently there isnt enough oil to get to the back of the engine hense it drying out resulting in con rod flying out of the block nissan know about this common fault but arent doing enything about it if the waranty has expired just dont even think about buying one you will spend a fortune recon engines alone start off at about £3000 thats not including labour

I too have had my Navara D22 throw a conrod through the side of the engine. 62000 miles - warranty only to 60,000, and dealership told me that because mine wasn't quite serviced every 6000 they couldn't help.
This IS A COMMON PROBLEM! Why don't Nissan own up and help out all these poor Navara owners?
Secondhand or recon engines are like gold-dust and very hard to source. Any ideas?

We are the sad owners of three Nissan Navara diesel pick ups all purchased over the last three years. They have all been kept fully serviced yet all THREE have now experienced catastrophic big end failures leading to engine write offs. This has occurred between 70,000 and 100,000 miles, not a lot for commercial deisels. The bottom end of the con rod develops hair line cracks then breaks up. We also had one shed a rear wheel complete with half shaft in the middle of the M1. By a miracle no one was injured or killed. We certainly will NOT be buying any more...it's back to Land Rover and Toyota that have served us well over many years.

Just had conrod go through side of the engine yesterday on my 04 outlaw. 59,200 miles but 3.5 months outside warranty. I'm fuming. Trading standards say because i bought car froma dealer at 2 years old and am on HP i can only get redress from the HP company as technically they own it until last payment.
This cannot be right. The truck is obviously unfit for purpose. I'm going to watchdog.

Just had 04 navara no 3 con rod cracked due to big end shell breaking in half for no apparent reason. vehicle under warranty told that under no circumstance will they honour warranty because the vehicle may have been used in 4 wheel drive or towed a trailer!!! Had to stand the cost and carry out repairs ourselves.

I've just been through this ordeal. the last 3 weeks have been a nightmare,and cost 4,000 quid do yourselves a favour and get relay insurance and a good 2nd hand engine Because it is going to happen to you

Big end failure at 67k conrod snapped just out of warranty. Nissan response no goodwill as fsh was not with Nissan. Anyone out there with similar problem? Engine builders say there has been problems but Nissan deny - any comments/suggestions please.

My D22 blew up last week in Penrith I must have been luckyI have 84.000 miles on mine My last trooper did 200,ooo These engines are suspect and Nissan should recognise that Let,s organise some sort of action against Nissan?

You are not alone! We have THREE Nissan Navara pickups and all THREE have had catastophic failures of the bottom end of the con rods, writing off two engines. All this at 70,000 - 100,000 miles. Not a lot for fully serviced commercial diesels. The con rods develop hairline cracks then fail. They are all the same.

I have an 02 Frontier (navara import) just chewed its way through the second engine.
First engine diagnosed with cam chain tensioner fault which was relaced and lasted about 2 weeks before chucking a rod through the block.

8 grand later a new engine is fitted and lasts 47k and 14 months before making the same noise. But this time I stopped it within a few seconds and had it transported to Dan Perkins who diagnosed a worn fan belt???
After changing the belt they decided it was not that. ?600 in advance to strip and ispect and I have been told today that its a worn big end journal, and get this, will require a complete new engine to rectify as its knackered the bores and valve gear. And that Nissan UK have said they will not help
 
Tweak'e will roll in here soon and explain the YD25 history as I can see on other forums this issue was discussed at the launch of the YD25 D22...
now pay attention all LOL :big_smile:

My bro inlaw has one of these ZD30 grenade engined patrols and nissan fixed his before self destruction by adding about a litre of extra oil to the sump and shortening the dipstick...
many of these engines suffered piston failures here in aust.
there has been no offical cause listed or any fixes. the extra litre was a band aid fix. it also adds to the problems (maf fouling). the best i've heard was early ZD30's had poor pistons. navaras, patrol and ternnao effected.
rumored to be fixed around '03.

The grenade patrols are the ZD30 patrols, but the patrol ZD30 was set up differently to the Navara ZD30 so unless you have a ZD30 Navara built within a particular brief period, you're okay
the patrol saga stil continues as they have other issues with the maf and turbo which can contribute to head cracking and piston failing.

BSmoke, are the 2.5 diesels you speak of called TD25T (T-series engine, diesel, 2.5L capacity, turbocharged)? That's the only 2.5L diesel global Nissan engine I know of for that year.
series1 D22 (pre face lift) had TD25Ti, series 2 D22 in euro has YD25.

they run a different block to the D40 YD25 and also not common rail. the NP300 is common rail and i understand its the same basic D40 motor.

theres been heaps of complaints in the UK but all thats happened is nissan offered extended warranties. much like the ZD30 problems they are simply head in the sand approach.
not to sure on the exact cause. what seams to happen is bearing fail, causes conrod bolts to snap and throw rod out the side. bearing look like they are starving of oil or to much air in the oil. could simply be incorrect bearing tolerances but also possible other issues with seals, oil pickup and oil volume.

BTW NZ got the same motor in the 2WD D22, but i have not heard of any failures. all the failed euro ones do seam to be the 4x4 version but i don't know if they had a 2WD version.
 
We add the same problem in France than is Sweden and UK (in fact the same in all Europe !)
A lot of YD25DDTI motor destroyed because of the bad conrod bearings.
It's not finished: even today some "old" D22 have the problems.
When it happens Nissan always try to reject the fault on the customer (because of services, too old vehicule, too much kilometers...). When D22 owners go to a courthouse, they often win (but it's long , many monthes...).

Nissan stopped the D22 and relaunched it in France in 2008, with a new name (NP300) and the common rail version of the YD25DDTI motor (I think it's what you have in Australia). But it was not a success at all, because of the bad reputation of the D22 .
 
i've always wondered if it was a simply case of switching from lead bearings to alloy bearings without changing the clearances.

NZ also got the old YD25 (in 2wd) and i havn't heard of any throwing rods. mayby we got different bearings.
 
The problem onlyu affect the Non CRD YD25 in Europe, my understanding it was caused by the European goverments saying the bearings couldn't have lead in them and the alloy or whatever they used couldn't handle the load.

Dave.
 
yes they changed from lead bearings because of emmision standards. i understand alloy bearings can actually be better than lead bearings, but they must be built for them.

if i remember right toyota did a recall on theirs.
 
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