Which is the better option please?

[pjwooly]

Hi guys new to this forum and looking at a Navara for towing.Not sure which way to go engine wise and reliability wise.The new D22 2.5TD seems to be very cheap 2nd hand.

Is there a reason for this?

Also the older 3.0 seems to hold good value.

Can someone please shed some light on the on the best choice for my purpose of towing up too possibly 3tonne.

Any advise much appreciated!!

Paul

 

[nathand22]

This isnt really want you will want to hear, BUT If you are buying purely for towing around 3t i would be looking at the D40 auto, they have a slightly different set up on the YD25 motor in the way of head and turbo and run a different ECU so they develop 440nm torque and 140kw,or 400nm and 126kw depending on model, basically a heap more then the D22.

BUT if you did 100% have to get a D22 i would go the zd30 motor they actually have slightly better horsepower figures and dont have a single row timing chain like the yd25 counterpart does.

 

[180degrees]

3.0L no contest, I have owned a 2.5 in the past and it was slightly faster but the 3.0L is just better suited to the car.

I am actually selling my one, its in the for sale section if your interested, you probably won't find a better used one on carsales in south east QLD ATM, would like it sold sooner rather than later as I get my hilux next week and want to get straight into the mods.

 

[happy john]

I wouldn't want to pull near 3tonne with either d22 motor it will do it but very slowly as Nathan said look at the d40 you could fool around with the 22 motor and get it going very well but why bother when you can go and get something with the torque to begin with.

 

[180degrees]

towing 3Tonne you would want like a v8 cruiser at the very least.

 

[nathand22]

towing 3Tonne you would want like a v8 cruiser at the very least.

70 series V8 cruiser actually has less torque then the D40 at 430nm for the cruiser apposed to the the d40's 440nm i know its not much but its not bad for a 4cyl, and the yd25 will use HEAPS LESS oil,, haha

OR he could get the V6 D40 with 550nm which shits on the 70 series.

 

[pjwooly]

Thanks 180degrees.

Would that be the blue/silver one up in the mountains that's well kitted out.?

 

[Old.Tony]

Definitely look at an auto box for towing, especially up towards 3T - you'll eat clutches otherwise.

 

[fourocker]

I agree re: the auto for towing of that kind of weight and due to the fact D22's don't come in auto it's definitely the D40 if you want a Navara.

 

[flashum1]

D40 manual with npc single mass flywheel upgrade is pulling my 2.5 tonne pretty damn well touch wood. Been sticking with the heavy hitters on the highways more often than not. Mind you, saw a gigantic Silverado Duramax today pulling a skyscraper of a fifth wheeler, made me dizzy watching it go past. Hey, we can't all be millionaires!

 

[180degrees]

70 series V8 cruiser actually has less torque then the D40 at 430nm for the cruiser apposed to the the d40's 440nm i know its not much but its not bad for a 4cyl, and the yd25 will use HEAPS LESS oil,, haha

OR he could get the V6 D40 with 550nm which shits on the 70 series.

on paper yes... but you and I both know a cruiser or patrol with TD42 is going to be a better tow vehicle, less likely to get the jiggles up at speed and end up rolled over on your roof.

Thanks 180degrees.

Would that be the blue/silver one up in the mountains that's well kitted out.?

nah mate this is mine http://www.carsales.com.au/private/details/Nissan-Navara-2006/SSE-AD-2328594/?Cr=0&sdmvc=1

 

[LLadnar]

It all depends on price and how much your willing to spend. The best would be the new V6 TD in either the STX or STX 550, more power and better fuel economy, leaves V8 cruisers in the dust.
D40 are better for towing, more stable with wider wheel track.

 

[nathand22]

on paper yes... but you and I both know a cruiser or patrol with TD42 is going to be a better tow vehicle, less likely to get the jiggles up at speed and end up rolled over on your roof.

I have seen heaps of navs towing big stuff, never seen one even look like getting "the jiggles" and i have not even heard of any of them ending up on there roof.
Mate they weigh close enough to three tone so there is only 300 -400 kgs between the two vehicles and only 200 kgs between a coil sprung cab chassis patrol .

Also the D40 Nav has the longest wheel base out of all three that you mentioned and is wider then the 70 series cruiser and only 20mm separates the patrol and the D40 so i would think due to the wheel base and weight the D40 makes a pretty stable tow vehicle, and it certainly did when i towed my Hilux on a car trailer for 190km from Lithgow to Southern Highlands.

You were telling the bloke to buy your D22 a minute ago, now your saying the D40 is no good for towing?? i just dont understand,

 

[nathand22]

And my mate has 4.2 td cab chassis and it struggles to tow a car trailer with some neon signs on it at anything above 100kph and its back to 80 at even the slightest hint of a hill and thats from new its been like it since day one, my ZD30 D22 was quicker then his pootrol

 

[Old.Tony]

I'll vouch some more for the D40 as a tug. We comfortably sat on 125km/h with the van behind us between Kulgera and Erldunda, she loved it - in fact at that speed, the torque converter won't unlock - you see a hill, you plant your foot and over you go.

I've also done 95km/h on dirt towing the van. Mind you, we're running OME Dakar springs all round and OME Nitrocharger Sports shocks too, which made a HUGE difference. The Dakar springs are dual-rate - unloaded the car doesn't kick your ass on speed humps, and loaded she doesn't sag to the bump stops.

D40 is wider and longer that most tugs (apart from Silverado/F250/F350) and gets better economy. Was talking to a guy hauling a Cardinal (5th Wheeler, about as tall as Centrepoint tower) with his F250 and he said his 7L V8 had no trouble towing it, but cruising around unladen the best he could get was 22LPHK. It drank 30+LPHK at moderate speeds. I can't imagine what it would be like hauling up and over mountains.

The new D40s - especially the V6 diesel - have it ALL over the competition in power and economy. Getting 7-8LPHK in a DMax/Colorado/Ranger is nothing (we've had one 550 owner here report 6.5LPHK). Trying getting any of those to get 12LPHK hauling 2.5T across north Qld - a user here with a 550 has done it.

Only thing about the 550 is the coin it takes to get one. Over $60K to start with, that's without mods - and for towing, you'd get at least this:

* HD springs up front
* Dual-rate leaf springs on the rear
* High heat-dissipation-rate shocks all around (eg Nitrocharger Sports, Tough Dog)
* HD tow hitch with WDH (Hayman Reese is my recommendation)
* Tekonsha Prodigy P3 electric brake controller
* Truck-style towing mirrors
* Reversing camera that can see the towball

That's an absolute minimum. If you're heading outback, also consider:

* Steel bullbar - ARB Deluxe bar with fog lights preferred
* Intensity driving lights - flood on the left, spot on the right
* Roo whistles
* Long range fuel tank - prefer stainless steel construction
* All-terrain tyres - BF Goodrich are excellent
* UHF radio (even Aldi has been selling these, $99 a pop) with a good mid-sized antenna
* DVD headrests for the kids (search this forum for "eonon")
* Dual battery system in the tub
* Engel or ARB refrigerator in the tub
* 4Ga or better cabling from front (protected by 30A thermal fuse & ignition-on relay) to Anderson plugs at rear

Can't think of much else at the moment. Oh, did I mention a canopy to hold the shit in?

 

[Navmania]

You can't tow in 5th gear in a patrol either. Gearbox can't handle it. For such a strong truck it's a bit of a let down really.

 

[Ben54b]

My old boy has a 7.3 l turbo diesel f250 4*4 twin cab to tow his fifth wheel which is taller than centre point tower, marginally wider than uluru and only slightly lighter than a fully loaded hercules. it tows it beautifully howevever the economy is rubbish but the van is huuuuge. when he doesnt have the van on the economy is still bad and i find it very average to drive. i much prefer my 22. At the end of the day if you have big loads all the time you need big torque. for all round comfort and ability i reckon v6 d40 deff woth a look. just my observations. ben ps dont even think d22 i tow over a tonne in work gear every day. it does it. it doesnt mean it likes it.

 

[sparra04]

fully loaded(almost 3 tonne) and towing a camper(1200ish kg) my d22(yd25) does the job fine
its no rocket ship but seems to have enough torque for the job
but a d40 will obviously do a better job towing heavy loads,but they do suffer off road compared to the 22 (longer wheelbase and overhang ect,ect)
2 different utes designed for 2 different needs
if i was doing any heavy long distance towing i would go with the d40 v6,i believe the 2.5 in the d40 is very close to its limits for a 2.5
cheers

 

[Ben54b]

fully loaded(almost 3 tonne) and towing a camper(1200ish kg) my d22(yd25) does the job fine
its no rocket ship but seems to have enough torque for the job
but a d40 will obviously do a better job towing heavy loads,but they do suffer off road compared to the 22 (longer wheelbase and overhang ect,ect)
2 different utes designed for 2 different needs
if i was doing any heavy long distance towing i would go with the d40 v6,i believe the 2.5 in the d40 is very close to its limits for a 2.5
cheers

Much more concise way of saying what i was trying to say. ben

 

[happy john]

Agreed two different rigs and for big towing d40 auto will be the wise choice and don't forget a properly set up d40 will go anywhere the 22 will if not more.