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mgermasi

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Hi guys
I'd like to make a jerry can holder on which I also would like to able to carry the hi-lift jack and a small gas bottle 1.25kg.
Is it illegal to carry the gas bottle in such position? It'll be standing up and in a steel gas bottle holder bolted to the jerry can holder arm.
I could not find any information on the web that mention anything about legality of such carrier.
Thanks a lot
Max
 
You haven't said where on your truck you want to put this. For all we know, you could be wanting it on the cabin roof, or in the tray.

It's illegal to carry fuel sources (petrol/diesel/gas) on the rear of a vehicle. That doesn't stop people from doing it, but I'm pretty damn sure that it's illegal.
 
+1 on the rear fuel carriers. In every state and territory, I believe. Same for the front.

People DO do it, and it's bloody dangerous. A small tap in traffic or a car park which might only be a small scratch/dent could easily turn into an inferno.

Inside the tub it's not a drama. Under the tub (forward of or over the rear axle) should be ok too.
 
Found this in the 4wd action forums - suggests it's perfectly legal in QLD. The link no longer works so maybe there's more up to date regulations.


Re: Carrying diesal jerry cans
I had roughly the same question a while back. Wanted to find out the legality of mounting diesel jerries on the rear bumper, so I wrote to the Dept of Transport and got this answer back. Hope it helps:
Thank you for your email enquiry to the Department of Transport and Main Roads regards mounting diesel filled jerry cans to the rear of a vehicle.

The fitting and use of vehicle accessories does not require specific approval from the Department of Transport and Main Roads (the department). As such, the department does not approve or disapprove of vehicle accessories and no written authority is necessary to enable you to proceed with the fitting of accessory assemblies to motor vehicles.

However, further consideration should be given to the following;

1- Allowable load projection, rear overhang. For your convenience I have supplied you with a web site shortcut regards rear projections:- http://www.tmr.qld.gov.au/~/media/062dd ... ochure.pdf
2- A clear view of the vehicles rear lights, at least 20m from the rear, at a 45 degree angle, with in 360 degree arc (brake, stop, blinkers number plate light/number plate and reflectors).

3- The jerry can holder should be manufactured to engineering standards, Australia.

4- No vehicle must be fitted with any object and or fitting that is not technical essential to the vehicle which protrudes from the vehicle and is likely to increase the bodily injury to any person.

5-The rear axle load rating and tow bar downward load rating, must not exceed specifications as stated by manufacture of both the vehicle and towbar manufacturer.


I trust this answers your enquiry. Should you have further enquiries please contact myself at the modifications HelpDesk on:- Phone- 3114 8544, Monday to Friday, 8.30 am to 4.30 pm (Wednesday, 9. 30 am to 4. 30 pm) I will be happy to help you.

Kind regards,


Moises Vasquez
Vehicle Standards Support Officer | Road System Operations

Vehicle Standards and Regulation | Road System Operations
Road Safety & System Management Division | Department of Transport and Main Roads
 
From the exploroz forums. Some other punters has done some ground work

Western Australia

The WA Dangerous Goods Act 1988, and Dangerous Goods (Transport) (Road and Rail) Regulations
1999, contains the relevant regulations, both of which are based on the Australian Dangerous
Goods Code (ADGC), sixth edition.

The maximum permissible quantity is 250 litres of petrol, which should be carried in approved
containers in either the boot or on external brackets. It can be carried within the passenger
compartment, such as the back of a station wagon, in approved, properly restrained containers,
but this is not recommended.
Contact the Explosives and Dangerous Goods Division of the WA Department of Mineral and
Petroleum Resources for further into (08 9222 333)

QUEENSLAND

The Transport Operations (Road Use Management - Dangerous Goods) Regulation 1998 permits
carrying up to 250 litres of dangerous goods (fuel) for personal use. The responsibility for
filling a jerry can and ensuring it is an approved container lies with the person filling the
container.

Under the Transport Operations (Road Use Management) Act 1995 owners are prohibited from
modifying their vehicle, its parts or equipment, and from carrying dangerous goods
(irrespective of quantity or position), in an unsafe manner.

This includes carrying containers upright, ensuring they don't leak and are properly secured,
and do not overload the vehicle (especially if transported on roof-racks). A booklet titled Load
Restraint Guide (available from Commonwealth Government Bookshops) should be consulted
Write to: The Group Manager, Vehicle Safety and Industry Reform Section,
Queensland Transport, PO Box 673 Fortitude Valley QLD 4006.

SOUTH AUSTRALIA

In South Australia, petrol is covered by the Dangerous Substances Act and Regulations, which are
in turn based on the ADGC; therefore, the same 250- limit applies.

Diesel is unregulated, as elsewhere, but the Department for Administrative and Information
Services advises that petrol (and diesel) transportation would be covered by the general duty of
care provisions contained in Sections 11 and 12 of the Dangerous Substances Act.

The Road Traffic Act has provisions for duly of care relating to vehicle safety issues such as
overhanging loads and impact protection. They also state that, while carrying fuel in the
driver's vapour space (in a van or wagon), is much debated, it is up to each individual driver
to assess their own risk and duty of care provisions when deciding whether to fit a range tank
or carry fuel in jerry cans. Dangerous Substances Branch, Workplace Services (08) 8303 0447

VICTORIA

In Victoria, the relevant legislation is the Road Act 1995, which has been adopted from
the, (Dangerous Goods) Act -1995 and the Road Transport (Dangerous Goods) Regulations.

The Regulations reference the ADGC under which Regulation 1.10 exempts small quantities of fuel
from the rigours of the Dangerous Goods legislation. This refers, again, to petrol only. Diesel
is not considered dangerous goods.

They maintain it is the responsibility of the driver items, regardless of type, are firmly and
a fuel should be stored in AS2906 containers minimum requirement.
Write to: Victorian WorkCover Authority, Dangerous Goods Unit
GPO Box 4306 Melbourne Vic 3001

TASMANIA

The Tasmanian government refers these, issues to the Dangerous Goods (Road and Rail Transport)
Regulations 1998, which covers general safety and load restraint safety.

The filling of fuel containers is also covered by AS1940 - Storage and Handling of Combustible
and Flammable Liquids. They advise that a person can carry 250 litres of petrol for private use
(as per the ADOC), but the containers must meet AS2906 Fuel Containers/Portable/Plastics and
Metal.

Tasmanian Vehicle and Traffic (Vehicle Standards) that an object fitted to a vehicle must be
designed, built and maintained to minimise the likelihood of injury. As such, this would
prohibit the fitting of jerry cans containing dangerous or explosive substances to any vehicle
(car,4WD, caravan, trailer), especially given the likelihood of rear or side-impact collisions.

Owners of vehicles should check the 'fine print' of their insurance policies. If fuel is
transported in an unsafe manner and an accident leads to greater damage or injury than might
otherwise have been the case apportion blame to the driver and/or invalidate the policy.
Write to: The Department of Infrastructure, Energy and Resources,
GPO BOX 936 HOBART TAS 7001.

NEW SOUTH WALES

The NSW Environment Protection Authority (EPA) and WorkCover NSW are the competent authorities
for dangerous goods control in NSW. They' administer the Road and Rail Transport (Dangerous
Goods) Act 1997 and the Road Transport Reform (Dangerous Goods) (NSW) Regulations 1998.

Under these laws, jerry cans must be approved containers for the transport of Class 3 liquids
(petrol) (ie, AS2906) and the maximum permissible quantity is 250 litres. Diesel is not
considered a dangerous good, but a combustible, and must be carried in a safe manner.

Division 9.3.1 (1) (e) of the ADGC states that 'if the package (ie, jerry can) contains
dangerous goods of a kind that may lead to the formation of flammable, toxic or other harmful
atmospheres - the package must be stowed so that no harmful atmosphere will accumulate in the
cabin If the package leaks'.

The above would indicate that great care should be taken when storing jerry cans inside a 4WD's
luggage compartment, whether it is a separate boot or part of the passenger compartment. AS2906
containers are designed not to vent to the atmosphere, provided they are in good condition and
the seals/lids are functioning correctly.

Write to: NSW Environment Protection Authority
Dangerous Goods Office
59-61 Goulburn St, Sydney NSW 2000.

NORTHERN TERRITORY.
Only containers which comply with Northern Territory Dangerous Goods Regulation 217 can be used
to transport flammable, (petrol.) and combustible (diesel) fuels. Essentially, this covers
containers complying with AS1533/34 and AS1 940, but 'approved container' is also specified
which indicates that containers complying with AS2906 would also be acceptable.

The Northern Territory Dangerous Goods legislation is b ADGC, which specifies that not more
than 250 litres of petrol can be carried. No quantity is specified for diesel.

Information bulletins are available at www.nt.gov.au/cbb/wha or contact
The Department of Industries and Business, Work Health (08) 8999 511 8

AUSTRALIAN CAPITAL TERRITORY

The transport of fuel is covered under the Dangerous Goods Act. 1975, Dangerous, Goods
Regulations 1978, Road Transport Reform (Dangerous Goods) Act 1995 and Road Transport
(Dangerous Goods) Regulations. The latter takes its requirements from the ADGC.

The DGA (1975) Section, 12 and 14 require fuel to be carried in appropriate, containers
to prevent spillage or leakage, and make it an offence to carry fuel in a manner likely to
cause death/injury, or damage to property.

Section 37(1) of the RTR (DIG) Act1 1995 requires fuel be transported in a safe manner.
Sub Section (2) makes it an offence to do so where a person "ought to have known" that what
they were doing was unsafe or likely to cause damage to persons or property.
Contact: ACT WorkCover (Dangerous Goods) (02) 6207 6354.

This is only a guide so don't rely on this as "The whole truth and nothing but the truth" or cast in stone...Check with your appropriate state transport authorities as the regulations/acts do change without general notice to the public and once again check with your
 
Thanks a lot
My gas bottle will go in the tub!
So basically all those twin jerry can holders from Kaymar can be used only for water?
 
That's my understanding, for the REAR of a vehicle or trailer and the FRONT of a vehicle. For the front and side of a trailer (eg a camper trailer) you don't have the same restriction, and thus you'll see camper trailers with LPG bottles and fuel cans mounted on the sides before and after the wheel housing, as well as the typical LPG bottles mounted on the A-frame of the caravan.

I had actually enquired about carrying diesel in jerry cans mounted on the rear bar of my van and that's where I was told it was against the law and basically I could only carry "inert" substances like water.

The 250L limit is interesting. When we went away at Christmas we had 150L of diesel in our tank and 4x20L jerry cans in the tub. That's 230L. If I had 6 jerry cans, that would seem to be over the prescribed limits in several states. That means I might buy myself one more, but that's all.
 

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